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Posted - 2012.05.16 01:42:00 -
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CCP is allowing you to play the way you want to. They are also allowing us pvp'ing scum to play the way we want to, as well. For us, that includes blowing up whining little carebears who want to turn this game into another crappy WoW theme park game.
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Posted - 2012.05.16 06:27:00 -
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Five Thirty wrote:Charlotte Elizabeth wrote:Oh yeah, lets just allow people to opt in and out of PvP at their own convenience. That won't break the game at all.  Nobody is talking about opting in and out of PVP. We are talking about removing non-consensual PvP as a tool for griefers. Stop pretending the PvP world would fall apart if you couldn't grief highsec industrialists. A vast majority of PvP takes place in low and null security space. In fact, nearly all PvP that occurs in high security space is griefing. So what's the loss to PvP if high sec griefing is curtailed? Is the game really that worse off with griefing removed? I'm still waiting on a valid, non slippery slope argument to why griefing in high security space should be allowed to continue.
You obviously do not understand economics. If we didn't occasionally wardec the defenseless indy corp then supply on the market would be very high and you'd have to sell your stuff at lower prices to compete. So would everyone else. But, to put it in terms that would apply to a simulator of life in space (aka EVE) there is no opt-out from non-consensual crime IRL, and neither should their be in a simulator or life in space. Deal with it.
BTW - your tears...they are so delicious. May I have seconds?
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Posted - 2012.05.16 06:31:00 -
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bongsmoke wrote:Jack Miton wrote:There is an opt out, it's called station spinning.
As soon as you hit the undock button, you are agreeing to PVP LOL Like leaving your house, you agree to get raped in an alley by thugs..... Your wit is obviously unmatched. Such wisdom and in-site. If only everyone had your views..... lawl
Lol, you equate getting space pixels being blown up to getting gang raped in an allyway? I'll remember that those are the visuals going through your mind when I'm one day blowing you up and have a nice little laugh at your straw man comparison.
When you leave home, you know that something bad could happen to you. Hell, someone could bust through your door and shoot you in the face if they wanted, so technically you're safer docked in EVE than you are in your own RL abode...that is until WiS comes out ;) Man, I hope we can shoot ppl in stations. The tears will flow like wine and the pirates will flock to Jita 4-4 like the salmon of Capistrano!
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Posted - 2012.05.16 16:47:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:bongsmoke wrote:
You missed the point..
There was no point to miss. It was an invalid equivalency. You were comparing an illegal IRL activity to an allowed (and even encouraged) in game activity. The two are not analogous. Someone blowing up your spaceship in Eve is no more morally or ethically wrong than someone putting hotels on Park Place and Boardwalk or putting "Quixotic" on a triple word score. Regardless of how adversely it affects YOU, personally, it's perfectly okay within the context of the game. The rules permit this behavior. By playing the game, you implicitly agree to the rules of the game. When you go play Paintball, you are agreeing that people can shoot paintballs at you, because it's a game and those are the rules. Similarly, when you undock in Eve, you're agreeing that people can shoot at you, because this is a game and those are the rules. The fact that Eve has a lot more variation in potential activities than a round of paintball doesn't change that. So, what, you think the rules shouldn't apply to you? Because that's about how it sounds.
This is the best summation and analogy I've heard in a long time.
Flying in EVE is also similar to ferrying a boat through the Gulf of Aden. If you got a big friggen hauler that is carrying a metric crapton of expensive goods, fully expect that there is a possibility of being attacked by Somali pirates in small weapon heavy skiffs who are going to ruin your day. This is life in EVE. Adapt or find another game to play.
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Posted - 2012.05.16 22:03:00 -
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bongsmoke wrote:
First, this isnt about me, I do have an attitude with certain players with play styles i disagree with, but guess what? I've known this for 7 years.
What I don't get is why you'd disagree with anyone's play style. Nobody disagrees with yours unless you try to force your play style upon others by trying to modify the mechanics of the game. That's where people like me get a bit pissy about it. You want something selfishly for yourself so you are willing to take a part of many people's play style to satisfy your own and deny us the freedoms we're accustomed to. To me, that's worse than scamming, stealing, dishonoring ransoms or 1v1's.
The way I see it is if it's allowed within the current mechanics and rules, then there is nothing wrong with it. That's how a sandbox works. Just deal with it and adapt.
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Posted - 2012.05.17 19:32:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Flurk Hellbron wrote:Eve online is NOT PVP............... try to shoot random ship in 0.5 - 1.0 sec......................  ive done this a lot usually, the ships i shot at blew up its great fun
What people tend to not understand is that nearly everything outside of running missions is pvp. If you are shooting someone, that's pvp. Whenever you buy something from the market you are being pvp'd or are associating with pvp based of market and price manipulation. Sometimes there is even PVP inside PVE environments, such as if two competing individuals are trying to run the same DED complex or random professional site at the same time. Whoever gets the faction loot drop wins.
Anytime you are competing with another player, it is PVP. There are simply different methods of it. If people even realized how much ISK they lose over an extended period of time from market PVP (or the consequence of others participating in such activities) their jaws would drop and they'd find that the loss of their ships by the random ganker or wardec is measly in comparison. The whining and crying for price caps to be put in place for every item in EVE would be thunderous!
Just as a footnote, aren't at least 90% of the players in EVE male? What has happened to our gender where so many of you are sniveling, self-entitled, whiny little babies about every little thing that you dislike? Do you need horomone therapy or something to help grow your sac back? I feel sorry for any woman that are wtih a driveling, emasculated little manchild like yourself.
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Posted - 2012.05.17 22:08:00 -
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Five Thirty wrote:I'm pretty sure everyone is familiar with what is PvP and what is not...
The OP was specifically talking about non-consensual PvP via suicide gank, being tricked into agression, and high sec war.
So much for the gankbears trying to claim they are the smarter ones in EvE.
Only pure and unadulterated idiots are tricked into aggression. You shouldn't coddle the weak or stupid. Let them die as nature intended.
Also, during my alts and this toons career, guess how many times I've been sui-ganked? Zero! I've carried some very expensive stuff through notorious gankfest systems too (Perimeter, Jita, Sivala, etc) and I've not even been in danger. Know why? Because I use my brain. I never autopilot. I f*gwarp if I gotta or use a cloaky. I also don't dawdle around in places like a twit waiting for someone to come and shove 1400mm's up my deep six. I also keep up on events, too. When something like Burn Jita happens, I stay the feck away unless I want to do some pewpew myself...but at least I know where it's happening and when. It's not hard. There are a couple good news sites that keep up on the daily intel and takes all of 5min a day worth of reading.
As far as highsec wars, if you kick your aggressors in the face fast and hard from the beginning, they'll usually go away. Either that or just stay docked up for a few days and go play WoT or whatever. The war will come and go and nobody will care or notice. It's pretty easy to avoid getting whelped by wardecers if you want to. Most highsec deccers are so fail anyways that as soon as they see you even forming up anything that resembles an actual combat fleet, they flee like roaches.
Now, do I need to start passing out testosterone injections for you nancy neckbeared mouthbreathers or are we done with this threadnought of fail?
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Posted - 2012.05.17 23:40:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Five Thirty wrote:I'm pretty sure everyone is familiar with what is PvP and what is not...
The OP was specifically talking about non-consensual PvP via suicide gank, being tricked into agression, and high sec war.
So much for the gankbears trying to claim they are the smarter ones in EvE. Actually to be accurate, the OP was specifically talking about Wardec's. The OP makes no mention of agression tricks or suicide ganks.
I was going to point that out. I love it when people try to act like they are smart when their comprehension skills are crap. :) Good poast!
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Posted - 2012.05.18 07:06:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:
CCP has never advertised any part of EvE as "safe."
You joined this game with full knowledge that this sort of thing is possible and encouraged. Why are you trying to change the fundamentals of a game that other people enjoy when you knew what those fundamentals were when you started?
Precisely. But it's hardly worth arguing with people like this. They don't get that EVE has always been the most risky and hardcore MMO on the market. There is no play without risk. Never was, never has been, and hopefully, it never will be...subscriptions be damned.
There are plenty other games where you can carebear to your hearts extent free from the type of scum like us who love nothing more than to see you cry and squeal when we turn your ship into space dust. Stop trying to make EVE one of those games.
Now can we all grow a sac, end this discussion, and get back to work?
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Posted - 2012.05.18 19:21:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Good blog poast! One of my favorite ways of "pvping" missionbears is to warp in on them and steal a mission objective and then put it up on contract. They can buy it off me if they want or they can fail the mission, lose the rewards/LP. Either way, I win! God forbid they would shoot my lowly frigate though. That would be terrible. If mission bears would shoot more maybe I'd stop. I hate ruining my fairly good K/D ratio. 
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Posted - 2012.05.21 19:51:00 -
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If you want to know the real source of the problem here, it's that every fool and nancy wants to start his own corp and thinks he has the in-game knowledge to make it successful. A good corp will have to have some experienced pvpers who can teach those who don't know much or invest most of their time in other activites (industry, logistics, etc). The key is crosstraining. Sure, we all know EVE has a million skills and it takes forever to get really good at one thing. However, the smaller your corp is, the more crosstraining you're going to have to do.
- All miner corps die because they can't defend themselves. Their only options is to stay docked and hire mercs.
- All carebear corps die because they have zero pvp experience. They have no mentor and are too afraid to lose anything. They are like hoarders, but their trash of choice is ISK. They can't get rid of a penny unless it's on a ship to make them moar ISK carebearing.
- All industrialist corps die because of the same reasons above.
What needs to happen is these stupid tiny corps with no good leadership need to dissolve and join larger/better corps with people who actually know the multiple facets of this game. With numbers and experience comes protection, and the next time you get wardeced you'll have the resources and know how to effectively punish those who dec'd you.
Fact of EVE: Most CEO's are crap. Most Directors are even worse than crap.
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:29:00 -
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Angelice wrote:
Hopefully they will clear up the mess of war decs rubbing off on pickup fleet logis to compensate. I think I remember them mentioning something along those lines in the FanFest keynotes...
Yet another scrub talking about things they know little about
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Posted - 2012.05.22 01:24:00 -
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bongsmoke wrote:Daemon Ceed wrote:Angelice wrote:
Hopefully they will clear up the mess of war decs rubbing off on pickup fleet logis to compensate. I think I remember them mentioning something along those lines in the FanFest keynotes...
Yet another scrub talking about things they know little about Your wealth of knowledge sir, is unmatched. Great job informing others with such wisdom.
Mmmmm...yes. You're absolutely right. Also, while you're "down there", make those choking sounds I love. And please, no teeth.
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Posted - 2012.05.24 00:42:00 -
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Austneal wrote:Quote:Your responses make no sense, i can opt out of PVP by staying in an NPC corp, there job done i no longer have to take part in PVP. Ok, you join an NPC corp, undock in something expensive, and we'll see how long your "opt out" lasts
On Jita 4-4, with no instaundock, I predict 2.5 seconds.
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Posted - 2012.05.25 16:27:00 -
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midas Silf wrote:
Hi-Sec shouldn't mean 100% safe, just "safer"................
There's a little known secret in Eve, my furry little carebears. Lowsec, in many areas, is much safer than Hi-sec. GASP, SHOCK! I know, right? Hard to believe. You want to know the reason why, though? It's because there is nobody there...at all! You can mine better ore, get higher mission rewards, better bounties on rats, have a POS without requiring stupid charters and high State standings, and very rarely will a griefer corp follow you all the way down to lowsec to get you. In fact, I doubt you'd ever get wardeced at all.
There are a couple precautions to take:
1.) Cloaky haulers are your friends for moving your crap in and out. If you have a jump freighter and learn how to use it, your life there has become 75% easier.
2.) It's always good to use a scout alt in something cloaky to watch your gates or scout you through the occasional active systems that are 1 jump away from highsec.
I've spent almost my entire Eve career in lowsec and have gotten almost all of my ISK running DED sites and scoring very expensive loot drops. A pirate's gotta make a living when there's not much going on, yanno. I've done all of this with relative ease. If you have more than 3 functioning brain cells, a modicum of knowledge of game mechanics and know how to use d-scan, you too can out-earn your highsec carebear counterparts.
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Posted - 2012.05.25 21:04:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:can we ban stupidity as well? Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:also, ban npc corps
But I profit so much from other's stupidity. I vote no on this proposal.
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